{"id":191,"date":"2008-05-15T01:57:01","date_gmt":"2008-05-15T01:57:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/dhoytt.com\/mainblog\/2008\/05\/15\/packagekit-new-default-manager\/"},"modified":"2008-05-15T01:57:01","modified_gmt":"2008-05-15T01:57:01","slug":"packagekit-new-default-manager","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/dhoytt.com\/mainblog\/2008\/05\/packagekit-new-default-manager\/","title":{"rendered":"Packagekit New Default Manager Fedora 9, Pirut Removed"},"content":{"rendered":"<\/title><\/p>\n<p><!--\n@page { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 0.79in }\nP { margin-bottom: 0.08in }\n--><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Why was Pirut replaced as the default<br \/>\nfront end in Fedora 9 by an unfinished package like PackageKit? I<br \/>\nunderstand the current move from under the wing of Red Hat and more<br \/>\ninto the Fedora community with Fedora releases but if these are the<br \/>\ntypes of decisions that will be made, oh my!<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Does this mean the Fedora community<br \/>\nwill start making decisions to new projects just because you have a<br \/>\nbias or dislike of certain portions of an older working project even<br \/>\nif you don’t have a working viable solution?<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\"> There is no way that PackageKit should<br \/>\nhave been included in its current state as the default software<br \/>\npackage handler with Pirut totally removed.<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">I like a lot of what I see in<br \/>\nPackageKit as far as being able to go to the software projects home<br \/>\npage with a simple click, the GUI looks nice, seeing what files will<br \/>\nbe written out or modified and the fact that you can go click inside<br \/>\nof that box and save the list with a copy or paste for whatever<br \/>\nreasons you feel you may need are good features.<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\"> I understand it talks to all of the<br \/>\nback end package managers like apt, yum etc.., but the usability is<br \/>\nnot there yet. Why place it as the default package manager for Fedora<br \/>\n9, a major OS release?<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">You have negated any good that<br \/>\nPackageKit does with its release while its in its beginning<br \/>\ndevelopment stages. PackageKit is in a position it doesn’t yet<br \/>\nbelong and you have put up blatant obstacles to using other front-end<br \/>\npackage mangers without uninstalling PackageKit.<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">The immediate usability issues I have<br \/>\nare:<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">– I have to tell it to refresh<br \/>\napplication lists, this should be default or a more readily<br \/>\nidentifiable option. I first went through a few sub-categories<br \/>\ngetting a \u201dQuery produced no results\u201d type of error before I<br \/>\nstarted looking for an option to view software I knew should be<br \/>\nthere.\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">I found no way to select multiple<br \/>\nsoftware packages then say install and walk away. You have to sit<br \/>\nthere and click one package <font face=\"Times New Roman, serif\">\u2192<\/font><br \/>\nHit Install <font face=\"Times New Roman, serif\">\u2192<\/font> Watch it<br \/>\ndownload and install <font face=\"Times New Roman, serif\">\u2192<\/font><br \/>\nselect next package and repeat. I really hope I’m missing something<br \/>\nhere I do not have the time to install all of the packages I like to<br \/>\nuse one at a time after my initial install.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">When trying to install \u201cpirut\u201d<br \/>\nfrom the command line using yum I get the following message:<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">#yum install pirut\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Existing lock \/var\/run\/yum.pid: another<br \/>\ncopy is running as pid 10193.\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Another app is currently holding the<br \/>\nyum lock; waiting for it to exit…\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Another app is currently holding the<br \/>\nyum lock; waiting for it to exit…\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Another app is currently holding the<br \/>\nyum lock; waiting for it to exit…\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Another app is currently holding the<br \/>\nyum lock; waiting for it to exit…\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Setting up Install Process\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Parsing package install arguments\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Package<br \/>\ngnome-packagekit-0.1.12-12.20080430.fc9.x86_64 already installed and<br \/>\nlatest version\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Nothing to do\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">I found the updated version of<br \/>\nPackageKit but had some environmental\/dependency issues installing<br \/>\nthe \u201ctar.gz\u201d and the \u201crpm\u201d. I didn’t want to deal with<br \/>\nupdating what someone has decide to be the default package manager<br \/>\nfor Fedora 9 when I had other things to do so in installed \u201cYumex\u201d.<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">I did however use the install one<br \/>\npackage at a time PackageKit to install Yumex. I then started<br \/>\ninstalling the software I want by clicking on them one at a time in<br \/>\nYumex and then processing the whole lot of them instead of with<br \/>\n\u201cpirut\u201d selecting all and deselecting a few packages a several<br \/>\ndozen more clicks per session than using Pirut. This is still better<br \/>\nthan installing packages one at a time (that’s so MS Windows) with<br \/>\nPackageKit.<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Since this is installed on the system<br \/>\nthat will be my game server and I’m playing around with it now I’m<br \/>\nseriously thinking about installing one of the other Linux Distros<br \/>\nand then moving to the Distro I choose with my web servers.<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Especially disturbing is the fact that<br \/>\nthey said that PackageKit would be an alternative and Pirut can work<br \/>\nside by side with PackageKit but they have removed all of the Fedora<br \/>\n9 Pirut files from the repositories and the lower versions of Pirut<br \/>\nconflict with PackageKit!<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0in\">Well time to finish installing packages<br \/>\nwith……\u201dYumex\u201d!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Why was Pirut replaced as the default front end in Fedora 9 by an unfinished package like PackageKit? 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